Ariens Manufacturing’s Muslim employees are planning to quit because of a conflict over prayer. The Muslim workers claimed until recently they were allowed to take brief breaks to pray but for some unknown reason, the heads of Ariens Manufacturing changed the policy.
About 40 Ariens Manufacturing Muslim employees are planning to leave the Wisconsin power plant because they are not longer allowed to pray in the workplace.
Just weeks ago, hundreds of Muslims from Somalia employed at Cargill Meat Solutions in Colorado were told that praying at the plant was not permitted.
Just like the Muslim workers in Colorado, the 53 workers in Wisconsin had been taking two 5 minutes breaks per day to pray, and it was never an issue until the San Bernadino and Paris attacks perpetrated by Muslim radicals and inspired by ISIS.
There are 53 Muslims workers at Ariens Manufacturing, and 40 of them say they are leaving. The Muslim employees explained, according to their faith, they must pray a total of five times per day. During the prayer those who participated always made sure another employee covered for them.
Employee Adan Hurr said he is outraged by the policy changes, which were made on Thursday. He explained:
“It is absolutely discrimination on its face. Allow me to pray so that I can go back to work and do what I love to do, which is working for Ariens. But we are not allowed to do that.”
The Brillion-based company issued a statement saying that employees are allowed to pray – during scheduled breaks. A company representative said:
“We are asking employees to pray during scheduled breaks in designated prayer rooms. Our manufacturing environment does not allow for unscheduled breaks in production.”
Masjid Imam Hasan Abdi, another employee, responded to Ariens Manufacturing and reminded them that it is not in the Muslim tradition to pray during meal times. He said:
“If someone tells you, “You pray on your break,” and the break time is not the prayer time? It will be impossible to pray.”
Another worker named Ibrahim Mehemmed added:
“We pray by the time. So they say, “If you don’t pray at the break time,” they give us this [unemployment] paper to just leave.”
On Saturday, the Council on American-Islamic Relations called on Ariens to allow Muslim workers to pray at work using the previous policy until the matter is solved. The company has yet to respond. The Ariens Manufacturing Muslim employees are being blasted for asking too much from the enterprise.
F%CK all of you. Stop BITCHING about what you cant do and appreciate what you can do in this great country. Religion does not belong in a work place! As a matter of fact the discrimination lies in the ones who don’t have the five minute breaks through out the day.
Well said Janice….anyone who has a JOB right now should be grateful and know they are more fortunate than many of us. Prayer is important but you adapt to your job and boss, it doesn’t work the other way around…ever.
Amen , i totally agree with janice
Hallelujah!! Can I get an Amen?!
Hallelujah? Amen? Gee, no wonder you agree with this policy.
In Islam —- Allah takes precedence over the Boss, The Job and Personal (Especially Female) Opinions!!! Hence the Arabic — Allahu Akbar!!!
Allah/God is Greatest!!!!
Libtardism will be it’s own undoing!!!
“As a matter of fact the discrimination lies in the ones who don’t have the five minute breaks through out the day”
Become a Muslim!!!
Get your burqa now while supplies last!!!
I agree. Smokers where I work take 4-6 15 minute breaks each day to walk across the street and smoke (no smoking on the property). Do the rest of us get these breaks – no. We continue to work and have to cover their phones. Breaks are breaks. Be thankful that you have a job and that your company offers breaks.
As much as I detest the lie that is Islam, I equate this to cigarette breaks, I have worked places were smokers got all these extra breaks to go indulge their addiction, and to make it worse, if your boss smoked, they were the ones running the break. On the other hand, I bet you would lose your head if you decided to have a Bible study at lunch in a Muslim country. As I recall, the Mohammadin is not obligated to pray 5 times a day, they are simply following the example of Mohammad. Of course, isn’t that what the folks in San Bernadino and Paris were doing??? Striking the neck of the Kafir? Yes that is one of his instructions and examples too, or how about having a 9 year old wife, or rape, or lighting a fire on a mans chest, or order the assassination of someone for a poem, yes Mohammad did or commanded all these and commanded his followers to do likewise…….
The owner of the company gets to set the rules. If you don’t like the rules, you are free to leave. The government should have absolutely no say on what he does with his private property, in this case, his business. People don’t have a right to a job.
I don’t give a shOt one way or the other, but I know FOR A FACT, if these were pathetic “Christians” who’s religion was being infringed upon, you greedy inbred child molesters would be up in arms about it. But, that just goes to who this is not a nation of religious freedom, its a nation of worthless hypocrites (hypo-Christians, as I have marked them). BTW, all religion is for people who are too stupid to think for themselves.
So when those county clerks say “my religion doesn’t allow me to let you get married” where is that whole BS about work place religion? In case you worthless hypocrites didn’t know, the CONSTITUTION clearly says there will be a separation between “church” and state… but that doesn’t matter to you hypochristians because you just want to hold other people down, like you’ve been doing for the past 1500 years. But, what do you expect from greedy, inbred, child molesting drunks?
“the CONSTITUTION clearly says there will be a separation between “church” and state…” Wrong. The Constitution does not clearly say that at all. It states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
I am sober, do not molest children, nor am I greedy. And I also come from some fine German and Italian stock. And don’t give me the “Axis” crap. My family sent 3 generations to war via the U.S. Army and Navy.
Just in case you don’t know the phrase separation of church and state is no where found in the US Constitution.That phrase was from a letter sent by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Church.It means US government can’t make the Americans citizens follow a single religion like they did in Europe.Google it!
Actually, “religion” that is in each and every person is carried with them, into the workplace as well. As far as Ariens’ policy, it seems more Safety related, in which there is no compromise.
Im guessing you have never complained about federal holidays regarding christian observances.
Thank You Janice Moore. You are 100% correct. We all need to stand up and say enough is enough. Now get back to your job or go home and pray.
Workers get 2 15 minute breaks plus lunch.That’s an 1.5 hours to pray & eat which is plenty enough time for pray.Stop complaining and be thankful for what you have.
Gee, I need a new snowblower. Going to HomeDepot to get me an Ariens sight unseen tomorrow morning.
As long as it was not built recently by disgruntled employees.
If you make a different ACCOMMODATION for one belief set, then you must make one for all. Which means, I could claim that I needed to make a Pagan Sacrifice of a Goat at Lunch Time in the Parking Lot. How could one say No? If you believe in an all powerful God, then HE/SHE/IT knows what is in your Heart, and does not need a display to know that you are faithful. And CAIR? You support terrorism, hate Jews, Non-Believers. Go Away, Bigots. By the way, Men and Women cannot pray together. THAT IS segregation, against the law.
Incorrect. Men and Women can pray together, women do so behind the men so that the men won”t be eyeing up her ass such as the profuse trope of men who go to yoga for no other reason than to ogle women for their own sexual pleasure.
“If you believe in an all powerful God, then HE/SHE/IT knows what is in your Heart, and does not need a display to know that you are faithful.”
WRONG!!! The Koran (Thus Allah/God) REQUIRES a Muslim to pray 5 times a day!!! Like a COMMANDMENT!!!
Your assertion that Allah/God does NOT NEED nor REQUIRE any DISPLAY of ones profession of Faith is in DIRECT CONFLICT with the LAW! And is also like saying that YOUR WIFE “DOES NOT NEED A DISPLAY TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE FAITHFUL”!!!
Try that at home (NOT DISPLAYING YOUR FAITHFULNESS TO HER) for a week and let us know how it turns out!!!
The law allows for reasonable accomodations and you should know that before continuing to make silly claims.
I agree with you on your first point.However men & women pray together all the time in the workplace especially before lunch….Peace ✌
If they want to leave , let ’em.
You can NOT discriminate in any way, shape or form in the employment sector.
Providing a group of individuals a specific favor (ie: you can pray on our time) is absolutely discrimination.
Use your break for this, as stated.
“Providing a group of individuals a specific favor (ie: you can pray on our time) is absolutely discrimination.”
Wrong!!! Telling them they CAN’T — is discrimination!!!
You’re telling them they can’t do what they are REQUIRED BY the law of Allah/God to do!!!
Either the Job takes precedence or Allah/God does!!!
One can’t have it both ways!!! And in Islam — YOU (Being a mere mortal) will always lose that war!!!
As Allah/God is GREATEST and not anyone’s OPINIONS of him!
Liberalism is fully incompatible with Islam — and Islam, being a Religion of the Sword will FOREVER WIN over Liberalism!!!
By the BLOOD of Liberalism will it be accomplished!!!
your a fool
Quit your job… Allah will provide, right?
Smokers can take a break whenever they want in most companies and sometimes stay outside for 10-15 minutes, 2-3 times per day. Nothing said! Therefore, people should be allowed to take a short break whenever they want to Pray!!
Or these individuals can get jobs at those companies you referred to. They are free to change their jobs to accommod ate their beliefs. The govt cannot force a company to disrupt their work environment because of religion.
Perhaps Allah will help these people find more accomodating jobs
I bet this same company allow employees to take smoke breaks!
Damn muslims are slowly integrating their religious beliefs in our society. They should practice their religion at home. The work place is not a place for worship. I’m surprised to hear that a company allowed this to go on for as long as it has. These employees who dispute this company policy should pack their shit up and leave, and in the process don’t stop there but leave America too while they are at it. Go back to the middle East where they come from. Worship their false god, beat their wemon and rape little girls. While there at it take Obama and clinton with them. For l am not Islam nor do I love you. They do not speak for me!
Show us the last time you complained about federal holidays regarding christianity.
This was priceless:
“Damn muslims are slowly integrating their religious beliefs in our society.”
It is scary sad such absurd accusations are needed to justify bigotry.
“Just weeks ago, hundreds of Muslims from Somalia employed at Cargill Meat Solutions in Colorado were told that praying at the plant was not permitted”—Not true, Cargill has gone as far as to renovate a room large enough for them to use as an onsite mosque for prayer. In their hiring clauses it’s specifically stated that “You are allowed prayer breaks as long as it doesn’t hinder or interfere with production.” The Somali employees were fired (not for their beliefs) they were fired because they chose to not show up to work for three days as some sort of protest. Anyone (regardless of religious beliefs) would suffer the same if they didn’t show up for work for three days. That’s called being held accountable for irresponsible behavior.
non violent protesting for civil rights is responsible behavior.
Why did the company change an established practice of allowing prayer? Communication, people!
I worked in Turkey for 3 years and none of my Muslim coworkers got breaks for prayer. Turkey couldn’t function as a nation if everything just stopped 5 times a day.
Amen! You damn Muslims were allowed in this country to better your lives, you need to assimilate to our country’s foundation, its not he other way around. We could send your ass back to your sand dune ant hill and get some Mexicans up in Wisconsin at the power plant, shit I don’t think the Wisconsin citizens would mind some good authentic Mexican food up there, nothing like a little spicy food to keep you warm. For me…. all you Muslims should turn in your resignations and hitch a ride back to your toilet bowl!
Good riddance!! This country is losing itself in all of this political correctness. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
They didnt leave the country and i bet when you defended kim davis you never made the pc argument.
where else but the USA ,would anyone try this
you have a job just do it
What it comes down to is preferential treatment for a select group of employes over other employees. The company is right in its work policy. Ariens did faulter by not establishing clear policy from the beginning.
I can’t say God Bless, Merry Christmas or say the pledge of alligance and you want 5 minute prayer breaks. You can’t have it both ways. If I have to shelve my religious overtures in public institutions well then so do you. Do I get a break to received communion on Good Fridaay?
Who the fu$k says you can’t say God Bless, Merry Christmas, or say the pledge of allegiance? No one, that’s who. You can say whatever the fuck you want, freedom of speech. Saying prayer in school, for example, was removed because not all children come from a Christian home. It made no sense to cater to one religion over another. It was simply more appropriate to remove it all together in respect of others that don’t subscribe to the same religion as you. Just as you have freedom of speech to say whatever you wish, you also have the First Amendment that protects religious freedoms for ALL. Not just Christians.
As far as Merry Christmas goes, you Christians sure did lose your sh8t when Starbucks changed their cups. “Happy Holidays” is a universal greeting for everyone, so where you’re more than welcome to say Merry Christmas, not everyone is celebrating Christmas.
So, you’re upset that people are not catering to your religious beliefs while simultaneously being upset when another faith demands the same. Christians and Hypocrisy share the same definition, in my opinion.
P.S. You can’t be elected into office unless you believe in a fictional sky daddy, so stop acting like you’re being oppressed. Fu$king whiner.
If I may use your own words against you: “Saying prayer in school, for example, was removed because not all children come from a Christian home. It made no sense to cater to one religion over another. It was simply more appropriate to remove it all together in respect of others that don’t subscribe to the same religion as you.”
Therefore, remove prayer from the plant.
another great example of dishonesty trying to justify bigotry.
i bet if christmas was removed as a federal holiday you would be crying persecution because if your beliefs cannot have more political influence than others you are a victim.
pray at home five times .work is work .not fair to others
pray at home 5 times aday. when at work you work .thats why most muslim countries are in collapse work is second behind religion.no special rules for no one
Converting to Christianity(knowing Christ and His love for us) will solve their problem. Jesus wants and gives us the freedom to talk with Him anytime. When the rules(you must pray “x” times a day and specifically at these time…) of any religion dictate your connection to your god you’re in a false religion.
Trading one mythical, nonsensical belief for another is definitely not the solution. Besides, not sure if you’re aware of this, but you do realize they worship the same exact God that you do.
You’re claiming your religion has the answers. They claim that theirs do. And I say both of sides are pulling shit out of their ass and putting too much faith in a book that was written during a time when people didn’t even know where the sun went at night.
We DON’T worship the same God! If we did, this argument wouldn’t exist. My God, whether you believe or not, hears my prayers anytime.
so i take it you have petitioned the government every year to remove christmas as a paid holiday?
you don’t like it get a different job or go to a muslim country
Did they also accept a day off for Christmas and not complain about it? Sounds like a can’t have your cake and eat it too, scenario.
Religion and work does not go together. Many Christians pray also, but they do not make a public scene of it and Jesus hears our prayers whenever we say them. Sometimes just a short prayer: ” Lord, Help me get through the day” suffices. It is said silently and is not offensive to other religions. “Lord, help me get through what the Muslims are doing to this country”. Give us a break, keep your religion in your household and your Mosque, don’t force it down our throats.
when have you applied that logic to christianity and paid federal holidays?
Their religion allows for them to pray at different times if they can not pray at the designated times!! If anyone should be upset it should be the ones that do not get additional break time! I will never understand how our country has turned in to an accommodation state, there have been numerous times that I was forced to do things I did not want to do, to do my job, I was never accommodated, I did what I was told or I didn’t have a job!!! If you want to live and work in this country you should have to follow the same rules as everyone else no special treatment!!!!!!!
So eliminating these extra breaks doesn’t mean they aren’t allowed to pray there, so… what the f%ck
Why would you leave that unclear? Did they overtly state that prayer is not allowed at the factory or they just eliminate the breaks?
Isn’t it great that in America a Muslim can have this debate..! In Muslim countries a Christian would be murdered along with their family. So dear Muslims please write home (Oh dang no mail service there either) or text home (oh dang destroyed cell service there) go home (dang you’ll be killed on site) some how please create some reciprocity towards Christians in your murderous homeland. Meanwhile, dang-it, fit in or move on……..
There is an incredibly simple solution to the problem. Allow them to fulfill their prayers by taking them off the clock for the time of the prayers and production time. If they offer this as a compromise it would make the non issue go away.
I do love irony.
When Kim Davis refused to do her duties there was a large swell of people demanding religious beliefs be aocommodated.
There have also been numerous cases for pharmacists and i bet the same people whining about this were head pack.
That is a very simply solution, but i feel the problem goes a bit deeper than that. According to the article, none of this was an issue until the San Bernadino and Paris attacks. If this is true, than it shows a strong bias against Muslims, meaning they are not interested in a simple solution but rather forcing these people out of a job. You’re correct about Kim Davis (I mentioned the same thing in my comment), if this was a group of Christians A)the company would probably not only allow them to pray, but pay for it as well. And B) If they followed the same actions as they did with Muslims then you could bet that it be all over Fox News and Republicans like Mike Huckabee would be all of that. I am trying to figure out how this is publicly acceptable?
I find it appalling that here in the US Christian Conservatives demand that their “religious” rights not be infringed upon and they have no problem forcing their religious beliefs on others (i.e. same-sex marriage, abortion, Separation of Church and State, etc). Yet, as soon as members from another faith demand to have those same so-called rights, all of a sudden the script gets flipped. Sorry Conservatives, no matter how hard you try- this will NEVER be a Christian nation, which was decided by our Founding Fathers and the US Constitution.
Last year, when Kim Davis refused to issue same-sex marriage licenses (a decision decided by the US Supreme Court), Christian Conservatives all around the nation supported her in not doing her job. Even a US politician publicly invited everyone to follow suit in not following the law. Conservatives reek of hypocrisy.
Look, I am an Atheist, so i think both religions are completely nuts (I feel the same about all religions), but I acknowledge and support people’s Constitutional rights to be able to act accordingly with their religious beliefs, as long as it does not conflict with the law or harm others.
You can’t have your cake and eat it.
“If someone tells you, “You pray on your break,” and the break time is not the prayer time? It will be impossible to pray.”
I just wonder if this means their god can’t hear them any time but “prayer time”. How much help can a god be if he can’t hear your prayers WHENEVER?
Smoking breaks should be limited to scheduled work breaks too, fwiw.
What do Muslim airline pilots do at prayer time during final approach?
Are we talking about Eastern Time, Mountain Time, Central Time or Pacific Time? Is it stated anywhere? If I lived near the time zone line and missed “my time” could I walk across the time zone and say them in an hour? WTH?
No shoes, No shirt, No service, remember the slogan that hung on the door of businesses & at that time businesses had the right to hang that slogan on their door & still do , doesn’t matter who you are what religion you are what car you drive the fact is the company that hired you owns the property, building, and everything in it how dare you think you can receive employment for what ever reason you desired employment and come in and tell the man that hired you and helps support your family that your just an employee but I’m going to do just what I want to do whether you like it or not. The business owner has preeminence over EVERYTHING that happens on HIS PROPERTY so if you don’t quit which I think you just want to throw a hissy fit to get your way & bring attention to your disturbance but if you don’t quit THEY SHOULD FIRE YOU “FOR INSUBORDINATION”, the BIBLE says “pray always” but if job says we hired you to work then you need to work now if someone will pay you to pray then why aren’t working there?
You people are ridiculous. This is a problem because the company wanted it to be a problem – it is a problem they only recently created. Just because your Christian god doesn’t specify prayer at specific times you assume that is the “right” and ONLY way to do things. For the Muslims, their god, his rules. If your company demanded that you work on Christmas, Good Friday, (or Easter Monday in places where Catholicism isn’t prevalent), and every Sunday, holidays you would be screaming for a Constitutional Amendment to protect your “rights”. These Muslims are not forcing their religion down your throats simply by practicing it. The solution is simple: schedule breaks, maybe ten minutes, where those who smoke can go light up, and those who want to pray can pray, at the times required by Islam. Why should their religion define the company rules? For the same reason most companies are closed on Sundays: it is a reasonable accomodation. I too must point out that you can’t support Kim Davis (a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE) in her desire to put her religion above her job requirements, and not do the same for people of other faiths. In states where Jews are prevalent, Jewish holidays are ALSO scheduled school holidays, not just Christian ones. Your bigotry is showing, and also your ignorance as to what this country is actually about, you know, separation of church and state. That doesn’t mean a company cannot make rules to accommodate its employees, but it DOES mean that NO religion, not even Christianity, can control the government, no matter whether you like it or not. Which means that although those Muslims actually have the right to petition their employer to make this reasonable accommodation for them, Kim Davis, a government employee, did NOT have the right to try to put her job requirements below her personal definition of Christianity. Hypocritical much?
It amazes me every day how religion can contort peoples minds and
cause so much discord, hate and death…. My father believed
religion made people better people. I have looked at the scales
and see a different tally! Reality is one thing, fantasy another.
People are too subjective and closed minded.